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Here is JVH reminding Julius about the one rule (notice how he doesn’t question it as it is well known.)

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Here she is ~8 hours ago saying she told Julius about the exploit because he had JVH on skype.

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Here is just a small portion of proof compiled that links Frost Legion members to exploits. These exploits are sadly not the only reason people have lodged complaints and quit the game due to FL.

Here is Sephi admitting she knew about the bug, and that she found out by accident with Sir.

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Left, here is our website revision system dated from April showing the rule is very straightforward. Long time players (many of which are in FL) already know this rule has been around for over a decade in this form. You can look for other sources if you like, we have nothing to hide.

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Left, that version of the rule text was only there for a short time during edits, it had one version for a long time and has been edited a few times for clarity. You can verify this in internet archives.

If you would like me to post proof I can, but would you accept their guilt if I do? I have to go get screenshots of logs and such but would you be patient with me to get these things for you?

There has definitely been a lot of lies being told from members of the frost legion tribe that we have been keeping secret of course for their reputation and because lying to other players isn’t against any rules – BUT when it involves exploits that lead to players deaths it is very serious would you agree?

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No Ceaser, this is a fair point for him to bring up. He probably didn’t see or remember the rule from the About page which is why we put it in a super-sticky on the new forums for more visibility.

I’m fine with discussing all these matters with the community as long as we keep it civil. Only two people are suspended from the forums currently for harassment.

Let me know if there are any questions about the new suspension system for the exploit rule or any of the particular offenders of the rule. I’ll do my best to answer, though most have asked to have their identities kept secret in these matters.

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The rule has been in the about (check FAQ) since the game’s release and even before that in the previous version of the game for over 10 years now.

We were lenient before with several circumstances, but now that players have been killed via exploits that were being kept hidden, action needed to be taken.

They have admitted to it, there are witnesses, and it has all been proven with server logs.
We chose not to go into details about the exploits themselves or the people who reported the abuse for their own protection.

Would you really want proof to be posted publicly? The logs we have access to? The conversations we have had with players outside the forums or game? You would be exposing things about people you may not be aware of, and putting people in danger in the game. JVH and I decided this current system is the most fair for everyone while taking these kind of dangerous exploits seriously.

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Oh, that was fixed a while back

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That was beautiful Captain ^_^ thanks for always being so nice and fun 🙂

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The harder monsters were explained to me. SPKrylos touched on it in his second paragraph too, but the reason these harder monsters spawned was because he spent hours re-rolling the dungeon generator last night. Basically since there is a rare roll that will bring up a scary monster.. and he was clearing out bats, snakes, and skeletons for a long time on level 4 so it would eventually roll those harder monsters. Then he would either test if he could kill it or run away. The end result being an unusually high amount of rare monsters on that level.. normally a higher level player would come through and clear those out to restore the balance, or it will expire in a few days anyways and reset. So you just chose a really bad time to do this experiment it seems. I think in any case the numbers will be tweaked over time to make the rolls rarer or check for overall difficulty maybe? We will see! Take care.

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I’m really sorry that you guys are so upset over all this. That PM along with several other issues you have brought up to me is proof that I have really tried to be nice and attentive to player’s concerns while juggling my real life responsibilities and helping with the game. I have seen a huge amount of complaints about several frost legion members that I have kept private to protect your reputations, despite the way you guys talk to me.

I really try to get your main concerns across to JVH which is why I suggested shorter posts. It wasn’t to silence you, it was to make things easier for me.. it’s not easy to dissect long posts when I have a crying 10 month old in my ear. JVH can’t read/respond to these threads because he is working on content or bugfixes every day. I don’t want questions to be missed, and I don’t have all the answers either but I am doing my best.

Though I know you guys are leaving I wish you all well and hope you find a game that makes you happy.

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Thanks Apollo! I know JVH has talked about the new player experience recently, he made the quest system for that reason and wants to improve on it more to help guide newbies. I know the experience changes were talked about a lot in the past and it’s also a big misconception that it was to deal with macroing. He and the testers were solving several problems with a couple different formulas and he was really happy with the trends in the database afterwards. Someone did the math in game and it is not as punishing as it appears, I wish I could put it better. He tried explaining it to me but it is really complicated lol. Though everything is subject to change of course – we are still in alpha basically, and he is crunching numbers all the time with his testers so we appreciate the feedback 🙂

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The forum rules should be up now. Sorry, I know they are long overdue. Every good forum needs some moderation now and then. I believe people should be free to express their opinion without being attacked and discredited so much.

I’m happy to see you guys speaking up. I don’t want that to be derailed or discouraged. This is a warning to read over the forum rules and be respectful. I won’t hesitate to hand out a short suspension if anyone needs time to cool off.

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That’s awesome Krylos! That sounds like a fun new challenge. I wonder how far people could get with nothing? lol. As for your trip to level 31, congrats on the leaderboard spot! You’ll be happy to know JVH is working on a ‘dungeon recall’ structure that will let you continue your adventure from a deep floor.

Nefer, I can honestly say I’m not sure how to answer those questions lol. I was hoping someone else would jump in. I know you could test out the armor stuff with a hammer or mace.

Edit – Nevermind Krylos has it covered 🙂

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Odovir, your posts are always silly and fun 🙂
I think you just misunderstood me.. We don’t mind your posts, or anyone else’s. It can be as long and have as much flair as you want..
BUT
If it involves a genuine concern or suggestion then it is more visible to us when it’s shorter. With long posts, the ‘meat’ of the issue gets overshadowed by the way you express your thoughts.

Also, I’m not positive but it sounds like you are threatening to break into our base lol. That would be another example of what I was saying earlier: why some people are afraid to express a different opinion in these threads..!

Don’t worry about JVH btw, he isn’t depressed by any of this lol, like I said he is receiving positive feedback it just isn’t in this thread. He is actually pretty happy about the results so far. It’s fine to go on rants and express disappointment, it just makes it harder to see your main concerns. Too much negativity also has an affect on the playerbase, making people think things are way worse than they actually are.

I know JVH values your feedback, but since we have limited time I would prefer it if any main concerns were more easily accessible. Basically, post however you want. If there’s a main issue you think needs to be addressed, highlight it for me somehow or send me a PM (again, the shorter the better!).

Sephi, I see you just posted while I was writing this for Odovir. I didn’t mean to cause you any offense, and I already knew it wasn’t you who posted the reddit comment so no worries.
I asked JVH about the exploration, you get the same amount for distance walked as always (it’s calculated over longer distances).

Even though we are most interested in feedback from newer players right now, it doesn’t mean we don’t care about what everyone else thinks. We all want more players to join and to have a fun balanced game for as many people as possible – the game isn’t even a year old, we will get there! 🙂

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